78 replies to this topic

[Magnanimous]

wrong stats dude ... World cup qualifying its a official tournament...so lets check numbers on that competition too.

 

Messi

PG 13

GS 8

 

Ronaldo stats on that competition:

 

PG 6

GS 1

 

playing against, 

Russia

North Ireland

Israel

Azerbaijan

Luxembourg

 

haha no offense but those teams ... (the only regularl team is Russia).

 

 

BTW you guys are talking about Barcelona, lets see what about Real Madrid.

 

Xabi alonso

Kaka

Di Maria

Ozil

Benzema

Higuain ( on Napoli now)

 

i think those players are really good, dont you think ?

 

Which stats are you mentioning? I just wrote down all of Ronaldo's and Messi's stats in all tournaments, including qualifying rounds and Ronaldo STILL surpasses Messi. 

 

EDITED:

 

Wait so you're quoting only the recent World Cup qualifying rounds? What about the previous tournaments? Still doesn't exclude the fact that Messi hasn't scored a goal in an official tournament (finals) since 2007.

Edited by Magnanimous, 13 August 2013 - 08:23 AM.

[Semidar]

Which stats are you mentioning? I just wrote down all of Ronaldo's and Messi's stats in all tournaments, including qualifying rounds and Ronaldo STILL surpasses Messi. 

 

EDITED:

 

Wait so you're quoting only the recent World Cup qualifying rounds? What about the previous tournaments? Still doesn't exclude the fact that Messi hasn't scored a goal in an official tournament (finals) since 2007.

 

Cristiano Ronaldo:

WC Qualifier = 7 goals 

 

wrong stat dude ... 

 

PG: 6

GS: 1

 

check your source again.

 

gg

[Semidar]

Which stats are you mentioning? I just wrote down all of Ronaldo's and Messi's stats in all tournaments, including qualifying rounds and Ronaldo STILL surpasses Messi. 

 

EDITED:

 

Wait so you're quoting only the recent World Cup qualifying rounds? What about the previous tournaments? Still doesn't exclude the fact that Messi hasn't scored a goal in an official tournament (finals) since 2007.

 

Messi play in argentina in a different position ... he is a MC on Argentina's team ... so as you know in Barcelona he is the main forward... Argentina have Aguero and Higuain on forward position.

[Magnanimous]

Messi play in argentina in a different position ... he is a MC on Argentina's team ... so as you know in Barcelona he is the main forward... Argentina have Aguero and Higuain on forward position.

 

Argentina play in a 4-3-1-2 formation. Messi is the "1", he is the second forward, playing behind Aguero and Higuain. He is not a midfielder. This 4-3-1-2 formation can easily turn into a 4-3-3 with Messi being the middle of the front three. The only reason why Messi is always seen in midfield is because he drops back to collect the ball and usually starts the attack from deep. 

[ardishabutaro]

wrong stats dude ... World cup qualifying its a official tournament...so lets check numbers on that competition too.

 

Messi

PG 13

GS 8

 

Ronaldo stats on that competition:

 

PG 6

GS 1

 

playing against, 

Russia

North Ireland

Israel

Azerbaijan

Luxembourg

 

haha no offense but those teams ... (the only regularl team is Russia).

 

 

BTW you guys are talking about Barcelona, lets see what about Real Madrid.

 

Xabi alonso

Kaka

Di Maria

Ozil

Benzema

Higuain ( on Napoli now)

 

i think those players are really good, dont you think ?

 

No offense, but i think you don't get what i talk.

 

I say: Messi is good ONLY with La Masia teammate. They sleep together, play football together, eat together, they have telepathy from academy

With Argentina, i say he can't do anything good for that team.

Let say, Argentina star is just like Barcelona star.

Striker they have Higuain, Aguero, or Tevez,

Playmaker they have pastore (new one), back then they have Aimar/Riquelme/Veron

Winger they have Di Maria/Gaitan

Defensive midfielder they have Banega/Mascherano.

So the different one with Barcelona?

 

Let say he going to Napoli, can he help Napoli to win Serie A? Win European League? Like Maradona before?

 

 

 

Cristiano Ronaldo can play well at Manchester United, Real Madrid, or in Portugal. Give him (not good one) partner, and i can say he can play well too.

He's come from Sporting, transferred to Manchester United because his good skill. Messi is from Barcelona at his first career (La Masia Academy)

 

Now which argument of me is invalid for you?

[Semidar]

ok you're right ... the correct position its AMF ... but in Barcelona he plays as the main forward and receive a lot of passes, in Argentina its very different, he assist Higuain and Aguero, and sometimes shoots and receive some passes inside the area, thats the only reason because his % of scores its lower on Argentina.

 

Sabella (Argentina's coach) put Messi in a little more attacking position, so he can try more shoots in the games, Check Messi's stats with Sabella as a coach, and check formers Argentina's coaches and you will se what i am talking.

 

my english suck, i know

Edited by Semidar, 13 August 2013 - 09:14 AM.

[Semidar]

No offense, but i think you don't get what i talk.

 

I say: Messi is good ONLY with La Masia teammate. They sleep together, play football together, eat together, they have telepathy from academy

With Argentina, i say he can't do anything good for that team.

Let say, Argentina star is just like Barcelona star.

Striker they have Higuain, Aguero, or Tevez,

Playmaker they have pastore (new one), back then they have Aimar/Riquelme/Veron

Winger they have Di Maria/Gaitan

Defensive midfielder they have Banega/Mascherano.

So the different one with Barcelona?

 

Let say he going to Napoli, can he help Napoli to win Serie A? Win European League? Like Maradona before?

 

 

 

Cristiano Ronaldo can play well at Manchester United, Real Madrid, or in Portugal. Give him (not good one) partner, and i can say he can play well too.

He's come from Sporting, transferred to Manchester United because his good skill. Messi is from Barcelona at his first career (La Masia Academy)

 

Now which argument of me is invalid for you?

 

i think if messi can play in any team, because the quality of his shoots and passes are perfect, maybe in another team his average will be lower, but not so much.

[BrknSword]

Messi    

[Semidar]

btw check this video ... free kick goals, no help of anybody ... just Messi and the goalkeeper, why i put this video ? because you think, he score a lot of goals only for his teammates.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iX-lmADZQsU

Edited by Semidar, 13 August 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[ardishabutaro]

 

Cristiano Ronaldo:

WC Qualifier = 7 goals 

 

wrong stat dude ... 

 

PG: 6

GS: 1

 

check your source again.

 

gg

 

 

 

Messi goal (friendly not counted)

World Cup 2006: 1 Goal (Against Serbia)

Copa America 2007: 2 Goals (Against Peru and Mexico)

Qualifying WC 2010: 4 Goals (Against Venezuela/2, Columbia, Uruguay)

Qualifying WC 2014: 8 Goals (Against Chile/2, Columbia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay/2, Venezuela)

Total: 15 Goals (Major Tournament: 3). Scoreless in Major Tournament from 2007

 

Cristiano Ronaldo goal (friendly not counted)

Euro 2004: 2 Goals (Against Greece, Netherland)
Qualifying WC 2006: 7 Goals (Against Latvia, Estonia, Russia/2, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Estonia)
World Cup 2006: 1 Goal (Against Iran)
Qualifying Euro 2008: 8 Goals (Against Azerbaijan/2, Kazakhstan/2, Belgium/2, Armenia, Poland)
Euro 2008: 1 Goal (Against Czech)
World Cup 2010: 1 Goal (Against North Korea)
Qualifying Euro 2012: 7 Goals (Against Denmark/2, Iceland, Cyprus/2, Bosnia/2)
Euro 2012: 3 Goals (Against Netherland/2, Czech)
Qualifying WC 2014: 1 Goal (Against Luxembourg)

Total: 31 Goals (Major Tournament: 8 Goals). Scoring in every major tournament he participate. Against Netherland, Czech or Greece

 

 

Now what you want to say to me? Messi is played in Keeper position at World Cup/Copa America? lol

[ardishabutaro]

i think if messi can play in any team, because the quality of his shoots and passes are perfect, maybe in another team his average will be lower, but not so much.

 

The fact is: he haven't try it. So keep it at your fantasy, and face the real life

 

 

btw check this video ... free kick goals, no help of anybody ... just Messi and the goalkeeper, why i put this video ? because you think, he score a lot of goals only for his teammates.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iX-lmADZQsU

 

 

cannot see youtube in my office. But 1 thing i want you to know.

There is so much freekicker better than Messi. Nakamura, Pirlo, Juninho, and they don't get the best player in the world. Your argument is invalid.

 

And hey, he can score without help of anybody!

Why he don't do that in World Cup 2010? Copa America 2011? When he announced the best player of the world (by FIFPro/UEFA).

The fact is: He cannot. Why? He isn't better than Cristiano Ronaldo!

 

 

Edited by ardishabutaro, 13 August 2013 - 09:34 AM.

[Manuel III El Exiliado]

Xabi Alonso.

<3

[coues]

Luka Modrić...

[Nelkosan]

<3

 

I have been culé all life, but this man is pure love =3

[XtaSia]

I will go for Messi as well. 

[BigAnt]

1 vote in it... :3

 

Ronaldo for me, proven in Premier league. Many foreign players come across and struggle in the best league in the world.

 

Messi won't ever come.. too scared

[Moss King]

I think Cr7 is a more complete player then Messi, but Messi is probably more important for Barcelona, I think it would be easier for Madrid to replace Ronaldo then for Barcelona to replace Messi.

[Yulrod]

Messi!!

[Semidar]

The fact is: he haven't try it. So keep it at your fantasy, and face the real life

 

 

 

 

cannot see youtube in my office. But 1 thing i want you to know.

There is so much freekicker better than Messi. Nakamura, Pirlo, Juninho, and they don't get the best player in the world. Your argument is invalid.

 

And hey, he can score without help of anybody!

Why he don't do that in World Cup 2010? Copa America 2011? When he announced the best player of the world (by FIFPro/UEFA).

The fact is: He cannot. Why? He isn't better than Cristiano Ronaldo!

 

 

 

the real life you said ?

 

Real life is this:

 

Honours Barcelona

• La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13
• Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12; Runner-up 2010–11
• Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011; Runner-up 2012
• UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11
• UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011; Runner-up 2006
• FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011

Argentina

• Olympic Gold Medal: 2008
• FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005

Runner-up:

• Copa America: 2007

Third place:

• U20 South American Youth Championship: 2005

Individual

• FIFA Ballon d'Or (3): 2010, 2011, 2012. Created in 2010.
• Ballon d'Or (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2009.
• FIFA World Player of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2009.
• World Soccer Young Player of the Year (3): 2006, 2007, 2008.
• World Soccer Player of the Year (3): 2009, 2011, 2012.
• Onze d'Or (3): 2009, 2011, 2012. No winner in 2010.
• IFFHS World's Top Goal Scorer (2): 2011, 2012.^[289]
• IFFHS World's best Top Division Goal Scorer (1): 2012.^[290]
• Goal.com Player of the Year (3): 2009, 2011, 2013.
• El País King of European Soccer (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.^[291]
• ESPY Best International Athlete (1): 2012.
• European Golden Shoe (3): 2010, 2012, 2013.
• UEFA Best Player in Europe Award (1): 2011. Created in 2011.
• UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2010.
• UEFA Team of the Year (5): 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
• UEFA Champions League Top Goalscorer (4): 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
• UEFA Champions League Forward of the Year (1): 2009. Ceased to exist in 2010.
• UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match (1): 2011.
• FIFA U-20 World Cup Player of the Tournament (1): 2005.
• FIFA U-20 World Cup Top Goalscorer (1): 2005.
• FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (2): 2009, 2011.
• FIFA FIFPro World XI (6): 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
• FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (3): 2006, 2007, 2008.
• ESM Team of the Year (7): 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
• Pichichi Trophy (3): 2010, 2012, 2013.
• Copa del Rey Top Goalscorer (1): 2011.
• La Liga Player of the Year (3): 2009, 2010, 2011.
• La Liga Foreign Player of the Year (3): 2007, 2009, 2010. Ceased to exist in 2010.
• La Liga Ibero-American Player of the Year (5): 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
• LFP Best Player (3): 2009, 2011, 2012. No winner in 2010.
• LFP Best Forward (3): 2009, 2011, 2012. No winner in 2010.
• Marca Leyenda (1): 2009.
• Bravo Award (1): 2007.
• Copa América Young Player of the Tournament (1): 2007.
• European Golden Boy (1): 2005.
• Olimpia de Oro (1): 2011.
• Olimpia de Plata (7): 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.^[292]

Records World

• Most FIFA Ballon d'Or awards: 4
• Guinness World Records title for the most goals in a year: 91 goals
• Most international goals in a year (club and national team): 25 goals (shared with Vivian Woodward)
• Most goals scored in FIFA Club World Cup: 4 goals (held jointly with Denilson and Mohamed Aboutrika)
• Most consecutive league matches scored in: 21 matches (33 goals)

Europe

• Most European Golden Shoe awards: 3
• Most goals scored in a season (club): 73 goals
• Most goals scored in a year (club): 79 goals
• Most goals scored in a European Cup season: 14 goals (held jointly with José Altafini)
• Most European Cup top scorer awards: 4 (shared with Gerd Müller)
• Highest scorer in a European Cup game: 5 goals (held jointly with ten other players)

Argentina

• Most goals scored in a year (national team): 12 goals (shared with Gabriel Batistuta)

Spain

• Most goals scored in La Liga in a season: 50 goals
• Most La Liga hat-tricks in a season: 8 hat-tricks
• Most goals scored in the Supercopa de España: 10 goals
• Most consecutive La Liga matches scored in: 21 matches, 33 goals
• Most goals scored in El Clásico matches: 18 goals (shared with Alfredo Di Stéfano)

Barcelona

• Top scorer in official competitions: 313 goals
• Top scorer in La Liga: 215 goals
• Top scorer in UEFA Champions League: 59 goals
• Top scorer in European competitions: 60 goals
• Top scorer in international competitions: 64 goals
• Most hat-tricks overall: 22 hat-tricks
• Most La Liga hat-tricks overall: 16 hat-tricks

 

that is real life, my friend ... voted for every coach, player, journalist, and fan around the world.

 

CR7 its a great player, but as i said before Mesii > All.

[mixail95]

Stalin approves Messi.