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#1 Internetus Internetian

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:40 AM

Please vote to renounce the Ataturk Ultimatum.  I will provide a link to what it is:

 

http://wiki.erepubli...aturk_Ultimatum

 

For those that don't know what it is, the Turks threatened to go through legal actions to ban the game in Turkey if the administration of the game did not punish players who speak truthfully about Mustafa Kemal or insult him.  Keep in mind that no other nation in erepublik has this favoritism shown to them...  The administration of erepublik, gave in, and agreed that they will start to punish anyone who speaks against so called "insulting turkishness".

 

What is insulting turkishness?

 

In Turkey, there is a law called Article 301.  It allows the Turkish government to jail and oppress peoples free speech, for talking about anything that is considered insulting to Turks.  Note that this also includes historical accurate reportings and histories that go against the governments agendas.  That means that the Turkish state can actually jail their own citizens for merely discussing history that has been agreed by the global academic community as real historical facts.  In addition to this, there are over 20 more laws and regulations that have similar effect to Article 301.  Much of Europe uses this as an example of Turkeys oppression of free speech, and a major block for entrance into the EU.  This includes the Turkish government denying the Armenian Genocide.  Denying the Armenian Genocide has faced legislation in France to criminalize the act of denying the historical reality of the Armenian Genocide.  Germany has laws against denying the Holocaust.  As can be seen, in the EU, denying genocides is equivalent to continuing those genocides.  As can be seen, the EU strongly condemns this type of behavior.   

 

Erepublik protecting Turkish Law?

 

The most perplexing thing about this is the strange situation.  The Romanian government in general doesn't seem to have any harsh or strong anti-Armenian or anti-Hellenic sentiment.   Hence a company operated out of Romanian shouldn't have any such anti-Armenian or anti-Hellenic sentiment.  In addition, the government of Romania doesn't necessarily have over friendly ties with Turkey or Azerbaijan or particularly any other Turkish state in Asia.  Hence again, no natural reason for this from a company based out of Romania.  Strangely, only the Turks get this special treatment from the erepublik company.  It is odd, why this nationality alone would get such unique privileges over players of different nationalities?  It is interesting that a company that benefits out of doing business in an EU state, at the same time violates EU principles for a state that is outside of the Eurozone, and continues to be blocked access to the EU based on severe, multiple, and frequent human rights violations, including everything from genocide, ethnic cleansing, oppression of minorities, religious freedom oppression, free speech oppression, and honour killings.  Even more odd and perplexing is that the erepbulik administration claims to sponsor free speech as a law of the new world, yet queerly supports an EU condemned Turkish law that oppresses free speech. 

 

PLEASE SIGN NOW!

 

If you agree that the erepublik administration should treat all players of all nationalities fairly on erepublik(not giving special benefits to one nationality over another) and not support a policy that limits free speech(which should be a core of this game and the newspaper system on it), then sign this article! 


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:42 AM

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:47 AM

SIGNED !!!



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

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#5 nzhdeh

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:58 AM

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#6 AngelOffDeath

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:30 PM

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#7 Zimska_Budala

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:45 PM

SIGNED



#8 Turkmurat

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:31 PM

TÜRKIYE!



#9 Konrad Neumann

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:26 PM

Signed.

 

I do not have a personal stake in this for I am American in RL and have no relations with Turkey etc.  I believe that this game should not be a tool to express/ support any RL political movement or ideology.  The game should be kept apolitical and to censor free speach is problematic.  While I do not support pro and anti Kemal rhetoric, I think both are not really suited in the game.  However, to enforce Turkish laws in this game seems a bit too much and this is why I am signing this petition.  I know it will most likely do nothing but I just want a say on this issue.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:37 PM

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#11 Jimkats1

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 01:48 AM

Signed!

 

Why should eRepublik's administration to give in spesifically at Turkey's Article 301? Then there's no democracy. So, for all issues, with no exception, should the current system of forfeit points be used. And also, eRepublik's HQ are not stated in Turkey, but in Romania, so they have one more reason to not give in, cuz they obey at the romanian law, not the turkish one.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:38 AM

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:51 AM

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#14 The Aged and Eminent Tommiecat

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

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I see what the turk did there as an empty threat. It is highly unlikely that a turk would recommend banning the game he plays from his own country.

Also, the insults and disrespects against Ataturk could have easily been placed under the 6.8.1 article of the Terms of Service. I do not feel that a special article was needed.


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Posted 27 November 2013 - 09:31 PM

Signed. Government and people should have no control over the staff.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 01:32 PM

In the interest of providing an alternate viewpoint I'm going to reply to this article. 

 

Prior to posting I imagine you would have at least glimpsed at the Erepublik terms of service and would have no doubt come across the following:

 

Content must: ... 6.7.3 comply with applicable law in Ireland and in any country from which they are posted.

 

This means that Erepublik makes no concessions to Turkish law unless the content is being posted from Turkey. Its also interesting to note that all content, regardless of origin, must adhere to Irish law (see Blasphemy law in the Republic of Ireland)

 

In terms of Erepublik's reply to the ultimatum 5 years ago, they stated that any users engaging in "vulgarities and insults addressed at at Ataturk will be banned". In the same way that I imagine any user sprouting hate in regards to sex,race,ethnicity nationality, sexual orientation etc. would be banned.  Because you see what the message they tried to carry across in their reply, that I think you may have missed, is that under their terms of service:

Content must not:

6.8.1 defame, abuse, bully, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise offend others;

6.8.2 be unlawful, obscene, defamatory, seditious, indecent, offensive, liable to incite racial hatred, liable to incite violence, discriminatory, menacing, scandalous, inflammatory, be in breach of confidence, be in breach of privacy or be inappropriate;

 

So I think it would be impossible for Erepublik to reverse its position without removing the aforementioned articles from its terms of service. Which I think we can both agree may ultimately lead to chaos within the game. 

 

I also find it odd that you seem to support restrictive laws at one end of the spectrum while denouncing restrictive laws on the other end. In a perfect world there would be less censorship in all aspects of life. However, I dont think these have a place in "the new world". If anything we should be questioning why Erepublik is protecting Irish law. 

 

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