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[Stolch]

If the region is re-occupied (no matter by which country), despite the Determination Bonus the defender has, the determination resets to 0.

 

I made the example on the 1st post a bit clearer:

For example, if Finland liberates Lapland from Swedish occupation of 200 days, and Sweden attacks the region a few days later, Finland and its allies will still have a high Determination Bonus when defending. If, however, Sweden conquers the region back despite the high Determination Bonus, the determination is then set to 0.

 

 

It's important to understand that once Lapland is freed, Finland would have the Determination Bonus in the next days against direct attacks done by any country. The 2nd picture shows the evolution of the bonus in these cases.

 

 

The formula is very complicated and hard to explain. We figured the graphical way was the easiest way to show how it would work.

 

 

 

 

So, let's use examples again. The first graph shows the evolution of determination based on days Lapland has been occupied by Sweden. The more time passes, the stronger the determination will become. There is a limit, however, and right now the multiplier is set at 6. So even if the region would be conquered for 3000 days, it won't go past 6.

 

The second graph explains what happens after the region is freed via Resistance War. So when Finland has a successful RW in Lapland, it shows the Determination Bonus Finland and its allies would have against any direct attacks. It doesn't matter if the attacker is the country who was controlling the region, or someone else, Finland and its allies will still have the Determination Bonus.

 

The longer Lapland was under occupation, the longer the Determination Bonus will last after liberation, and the stronger it will be.

 

 

I hope this cleared things out. Let me know if you have more questions.

 

 

I think you people are a bunch of bumbling *****. You've changed things while implementing it. There was no determination bonus in the Romania vs Bulgaria battle for Ruse yesterday and there should have been at least some under the "explanation" you're now offering.

 

So let's simplify this in a clear matter:

 

1. Determination bonus is accumulated only if the region remains under occupation without any pauses in the occupation.

2. Any time a region is freed the determination bonus is LOST in it's entirety. *Contrary to what it says in the updates in the game.

3. There is an entirely different hidden formula by which countries will get determination bonus in direct battles for the same region for up to 12 days after the region has been freed. *By the way, the real reason you do not want to show the formula is that you're either afraid we'll pick it apart for it's stupidity as everything else or you just want to facilitate the manipulation of the game as usual.

4. ????

5. Profit

 

In essence you just wanted to free the regions for a week thinking that this will placate the player base and they will go back to the old style game after that.....

[Bond Guevara]

The formula is very complicated and hard to explain. We figured the graphical way was the easiest way to show how it would work.

 

From that graph, I can imagine how complicated the formula used to calculate the Determination. But, its very hard to see the Determination growth in first 30 days of the occupation in the graph because the range is too small and not presented very well in a low res image, a graph for ants maybe.

 

Fix the graph or just drop the formula here.

Edited by Bond Guevara, 23 November 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[Shiina Sayane]

I think you people are a bunch of bumbling *****. You've changed things while implementing it. There was no determination bonus in the Romania vs Bulgaria battle for Ruse yesterday and there should have been at least some under the "explanation" you're now offering.

 

So let's simplify this in a clear matter:

 

1. Determination bonus is accumulated only if the region remains under occupation without any pauses in the occupation.

2. Any time a region is freed the determination bonus is LOST in it's entirety. *Contrary to what it says in the updates in the game.

3. There is an entirely different hidden formula by which countries will get determination bonus in direct battles for the same region for up to 12 days after the region has been freed. *By the way, the real reason you do not want to show the formula is that you're either afraid we'll pick it apart for it's stupidity as everything else or you just want to facilitate the manipulation of the game as usual.

4. ????

5. Profit

 

In essence you just wanted to free the regions for a week thinking that this will placate the player base and they will go back to the old style game after that.....

 

Bulgaria should get eternal freedom and 6x multipler.....one week clearly not enough...

[Stolch]

Where is the determination bonus in this battle:  http://www.erepublik...ttlefield/46087

 

or this battle: http://www.erepublik...ttlefield/46100

 

and this battle: http://www.erepublik...ttlefield/46096

 

this battle: http://www.erepublik...ttlefield/46085

 

here too: http://www.erepublik...ttlefield/46079

 

All of these regions were liberated recently some from long occupations.

I see that in the battle for Varna the bonus is finally there, though it was not there only half an hour ago. Good that the shield is finally on the right side too.

 

Release the formula and stop "assuming" your players are as incompetent as you.

[Stolch]

Bulgaria should get eternal freedom and 6x multipler.....one week clearly not enough...

 

Actually the first 3 RWs were without a bonus at all, Romania got beat straight up without any bonuses from a country that was occupied in full for 3 months straight and without the ransom tax payoff they got from the admins with the tax change that was implemented without notice as well.

 

Yesterday in the first direct battle the Bulgarian shield was given to the attackers Romania and as it becomes clear Bulgaria should have had a determination bonus in the battle on top of that but did not.

 

If I was you I would not comment on the subject less the risk to look even more foolish.

[tasos maximous]

I really dont have any problem with determination in mpp battles but you should had mention this from day one. This is totally amateur...

[Unregistered Citizen]

LMAO. Really!

[Luc Praetor]

So, Empire X holds Nation Y's region Z.  They hold it for six months.  The determination bonus becomes too bothersome to defend against, so Empire X let's region Z fall back to Nation Y.

 

However, by sheer force Empire X has been "farming" multiple regions across many nations.  As soon as one gets "too heavy", they let it slip, and wait for determination to reach a reasonable low, then annexes it again.

 

Question, is determination based on region or based on nation?  And even... are empires this calculating IRL?

 

BTW, I liked Krakken's ideas.

 

I would think once a nation determines their freedom, that a halo effect (that determined resistance would remain for a period after liberation) would exist for a time after.

 

It's obvious that eR has played the happy-path out, but not all possible alternate scenarios.

Edited by Luc Praetor, 22 November 2013 - 08:42 PM.

[Kuzynn]

Any profits for Empires or just another socialist joke from Plato?

[Tulkatar]

 

Release the formula and stop "assuming" your players are as incompetent as you.

 

+99999999999999 

 

 

btw: http://vvcap.net/db/...ujq-yZsbKCV.htp

 

 

again the eRepublik laws? or RUMANIANS LAWS!!! jajaja

Edited by Tulkatar, 23 November 2013 - 12:33 AM.

[cc1432]

Well i am not against these changes but i think it would be fair that only the citizens of the conquered region (country) may benefit from the determination bonus. Otherwise it would be just too easy.

 

Consider a bipolar world with a 35% - 65% distribution, which means a 2x determination bonus can easily shift the balance. Not to mention something like this would still motivate people to organize BBs, although they would be ineffective.....

[Nobody.ua]

It doesn't really shift the balance, it just gives the pole with 35% a fun of victory in 10-20% of battles on average. This is what will somewhat help to keep players in game for both sides. All-in-all, this game is about winning, you won't play if you are unable (due to how game mechanics works) to win.

 

BBs are good, but you should forget that player count has to grow not only during BB phases, if you get some (let's say 50%) population growth in 6 month, this is a success, but it's not really a BB, this is some slow continuous growth

[Kemal Ergenekon]

If the region is re-occupied (no matter by which country), despite the Determination Bonus the defender has, the determination resets to 0.

 

I made the example on the 1st post a bit clearer:

For example, if Finland liberates Lapland from Swedish occupation of 200 days, and Sweden attacks the region a few days later, Finland and its allies will still have a high Determination Bonus when defending. If, however, Sweden conquers the region back despite the high Determination Bonus, the determination is then set to 0.

 

 

It's important to understand that once Lapland is freed, Finland would have the Determination Bonus in the next days against direct attacks done by any country. The 2nd picture shows the evolution of the bonus in these cases.

 

 

The formula is very complicated and hard to explain. We figured the graphical way was the easiest way to show how it would work.

 

 

 

 

So, let's use examples again. The first graph shows the evolution of determination based on days Lapland has been occupied by Sweden. The more time passes, the stronger the determination will become. There is a limit, however, and right now the multiplier is set at 6. So even if the region would be conquered for 3000 days, it won't go past 6.

 

The second graph explains what happens after the region is freed via Resistance War. So when Finland has a successful RW in Lapland, it shows the Determination Bonus Finland and its allies would have against any direct attacks. It doesn't matter if the attacker is the country who was controlling the region, or someone else, Finland and its allies will still have the Determination Bonus.

 

The longer Lapland was under occupation, the longer the Determination Bonus will last after liberation, and the stronger it will be.

 

 

I hope this cleared things out. Let me know if you have more questions.

 

Can you give the exact formulas please? It looks like a logistic curve but we'd like the parameters. And can you please explain why the initial points of the second graph do not match with the function on the first graph?

[Yakou]

Of course, now determination is high for many region.

But only 12 day to see the level back at 0 is a too very short time. I'll prefeer 1 month for more balanced game.  

I'm sure big empires will be back soon. With taxes, empires are very advantaged with this update. I'm not sure small countries can be live really... 

[2.D.G]

I still have one question about this entire thing ; If you attack your own original region using a Natural Enemy war, do you get the determination bonus with MPPs?

[Pibasog]

pls low  the multiplayer  x6 is TO HIGH !!

u have to lower that formula , if not it will be imposible to have good bonus

[cc1432]

pls low  the multiplayer  x6 is TO HIGH !!

u have to lower that formula , if not it will be imposible to have good bonus

u need 100 days (3 months) to get to 2.5x determination, if the 1st graph is right. Do u want to have a region under occupation for a year? )

 

Every 60 days, another 12 days for reset are enough for a fair game play imo.

[pacifyer]

Unless formulae are released, we users will have to assume that admins are favoring one side by their own convenience, and not following their own rules, or either favoring the "Visa side".

C'mon, guys... be serious, and TRANSPARENT.

[Shiina Sayane]

Unless formulae are released, we users will have to assume that admins are favoring one side by their own convenience, and not following their own rules, or either favoring the "Visa side".

C'mon, guys... be serious, and TRANSPARENT.

Nah this rule only favoring the lazy playerless countries.

Which will result in boredom because nobody will try to defeat a country with 2x-6x inf bonus.

[cc1432]

If the 2x-6x would be only for that country citizens i see no problem. The problem is that everyone can benefit the bonus.... that is not that fair....