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#1 kittib

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 03:54 PM

Dear Citizens,
 

The last update has generated some confusion among the eRepublik community. The article of Azure Falcon, in particular, has caught Plato’s attention.


A number of allegations have been made in the article, mainly about rules being changed in order to provide an unfair advantage to the eRomanian community. We are aware that the “adminlandia” topic is part of the erepublik DNA and the rivalry between eHungary and eRomania is one of the factors that influenced many of the happenings in the eRepublik history, but considering the commotion this article has caused, we would like to bring some clarifications.

1. We are always trying our best to offer a fair game environment for all our Citizens.

2. We have no reason to believe that the eRomanian community had access to privileged information on the Resource Wars. eRomania did not get any very rare resource that would have boosted the overall productivity for its Citizens’ Companies with over 30% (Country + Region), that being a far more important bonus than any distribution that takes account of pollution can achieve.

3. The advantage of having Factories from distinct industries in a region that has mixed resources as it allows savings when traveling is not backed up by numbers. Spreading Companies across multiple regions in order to avoid pollution result in greater benefits compared to overcrowding a region for a potential 5% bonus (the regional bonus for the secondary resources - grain and houses - of the eRomanian regions in question). High pollution might turn this bonus into a 20% penalty that is not covered by the travel savings.

4. The way the pollution works was never changed to help any specific side. As announced initially, the pollution is based on what has been produced in the region (“works”). Azure Falcon speculated that all the industry is affected by the overall number of goods produced, no matter the industry or the quality. Such an implementation would mean that high value Q7 Companies would be truncated by “works” in cheap raw Companies. This was never a working scenario when implementing the pollution, as it would have affected the exact Citizens that have put time and effort into upgrading Companies.

5. We are introducing pollution in order to add a strategy element for Managers, increase communication between Governments and Managers (when establishing Factories and planning a military strategy) and increase the value of higher quality food Companies where upgrades do not provide any real benefits today.

6. From the production point of view, the distribution of eRomania’s resources is not ideal, as players will naturally go for establishing Companies in higher bonus regions. If the Government tries to convince its players to split the factories between regions with bonuses and regions without bonuses in order to lower production, having that small 5% bonus will make the Government mission harder as it will attract more Managers there (and hence a higher pollution).

7. From a military strategy point of view, having mixed resources in a region makes it more important for both the Country and its enemies. It might be easy to focus on defending one extra-valuable region, but it also means that losing just one region will result in a significant blow to the Country’s production capabilities.

8. We would also like to remind that regions can be conquered, and in this case, both “mixed” regions (Transylvania and Moldova) are within reach of eHungary’s army if they believe those have such an ideal setup. Not to mention the distribution that eRomania had for the Resource Wars was visible and could have been easily replicated if strategists around the world would have deemed it worthy.

These being said, Plato is endorsing Azure Falcon’s article as we view it as a very fine piece of propaganda.

 


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#2 Kusuriurisan

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:09 PM

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#3 Sisk

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:10 PM

rules have been changed and that is a fact if you like it or not

 

 

first pollution was based on number of works..

 

 

with the last update.. the pollution is baded on the number of works OF O SPECIFIC INDUSTRY

 

 

:) so no clarification about that.. just a lot of next and nothing clear on why you guys changed the rules.. or why is that hart to explain better from the start of the tournament


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#4 Pisco Soares

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:11 PM

The big problem that I see here is that we have made a placement of resources without having knowledge of how things would become.

 

 

And that's something to blame administration.

 

That's a fact!


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#5 Azure Falcon

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:12 PM

Thank you for denouncing my article as 'propaganda'. A very nice move indeed.

 

Please let me bring to your attention this image once again, taken from the forum and posted by one of the Administrators (click to expand):

 

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So when you say, "Azure Falcon speculated that all the industry is affected by the overall number of goods produced, no matter the industry or the quality", it should say "Azure Falcon  (and all the other players) believed Admins that all the industry is affected by the overall number of goods produced, no matter the industry or the quality, as it was announced in the Forums before the Resource Wars event."

 

 

You have brought up 8 points and in none of them do you actually admit that you changed the rules. In my opinion, the best course of action would be to keep the rules announced before the Resource Wars event.

 

Best regards,

Azure


Edited by Azure Falcon, 27 June 2016 - 04:14 PM.

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#6 Ahsan

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:14 PM

Well said.
It is hard to have a one-sided conversation...

#7 Franckie18

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:15 PM

Any answer concerning the coup started 10 minutes before the cost rising by a Romanian-based Military Unit ?

 

Or maybe this is also very strategic ... Yeah probably


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#8 Millo75

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:20 PM

There are some points that brings dissapointment to the comunity.

The information you bring is very confuse and in drops. Now nearly a month finished the RW we continue knowing new facts.

Today we don't know what is the new industry.


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#9 elbandido

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:23 PM

PLATO, you should get out RO from the map, fixed :) or put romanian damage to other countries, maybe they will be erased for years :D


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#10 Kisborok

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:25 PM

If someone want to more production for 4 types of companies in Romania only need 2 Holding company. It cost 0+25 = 25 Gold.

But in other countries need 4 Holding company. It cost 0+25+50+75 = 150  Gold.

125 Gold difference.

The aricle is about Countries and Romania, not just Hungary and Romania.


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#11 Dev.NUL

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:25 PM

There are some points that brings dissapointment to the comunity.

The information you bring is very confuse and in drops. Now nearly a month finished the RW we continue knowing new facts.

Today we don't know what is the new industry.

 

https://www.erepubli...t-updates/0/268



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:25 PM

We all know u suck.

Your reply just proven u suck more than what one would expect


Edited by N4zGuL, 27 June 2016 - 04:26 PM.

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#13 luka III

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:26 PM

just like romanian players new about resorce wars before anybody?


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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:30 PM

Well if it is that simple, how about having the rules as everyone understood them, except for one country.

Romania will not lose any benefits, as written above, due to this. Everybody is happy.


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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:30 PM

''trolling'', bla bla, ''trolling'', bla bla truc..

 

you kids that are trying to be admins: where are answers on most significant questions: why rules are changed??

 

''you will can to put existing companies for free'' nut now: ''only if they  are in the same region''

''your productivity in case of war will be lower'' but now ''you cannot work as a manager''

 

 

..and much more.. but why to waste more of my time on you, you didn't deserved :/


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#16 Dev.NUL

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:32 PM

 

You have brought up 8 points and in none of them do you actually admit that you changed the rules. In my opinion, the best course of action would be to keep the rules announced before the Resource Wars event.

 

 

4. The way the pollution works was never changed to help any specific side. As announced initially, the pollution is based on what has been produced in the region (“works”). Azure Falcon speculated that all the industry is affected by the overall number of goods produced, no matter the industry or the quality. Such an implementation would mean that high value Q7 Companies would be truncated by “works” in cheap raw Companies. This was never a working scenario when implementing the pollution, as it would have affected the exact Citizens that have put time and effort into upgrading Companies.

 

 

We apologize, but we're not gonna destroy the economy because "in your opinion we should". Pollution by industry and quality was a clarification (and an update) to the "works".

Having high quality factories polluted by Work as Manager in Q1 land/production companies is a far more detrimental scenario that, to be honest, we never took into consideration.



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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:34 PM

8. We would also like to remind that regions can be conquered, and in this case, both “mixed” regions (Transylvania and Moldova) are within reach of eHungary’s army if they believe those have such an ideal setup.

sick burn m8.


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#18 NO CARRIER

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:38 PM

You changed the rules for the tournament few hours before it's start. What to say...


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#19 Sisk

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:38 PM

Pollution by industry and quality was a clarification (and an update) to the "works".

 

 

try to read this again and again and then say to yourself that is a clarification...

 

works = numer x work .. that is the clarification

 

 

works = number x work on a specific industry .. is not a clarification .. is a total new thing ..


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#20 Azure Falcon

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Posted 27 June 2016 - 04:43 PM

We apologize, but we're not gonna destroy the economy because "in your opinion we should". Pollution by industry and quality was a clarification (and an update) to the "works".

Having high quality factories polluted by Work as Manager in Q1 land/production companies is a far more detrimental scenario that, to be honest, we never took into consideration.

 

So sticking to your word counts as destroying the economy? That's a very honest confession! Not to mention how your language as an admin is at least objectionable.

 

It is very dishonest however to write it off as a change that is worse than the currently proposed implementation. No it is not, it all depends on what constant factor you use.

 

You made a change after the event. You have to own up to it instead of putting the blame on me. Otherwise you just look like a 5-year old pointing fingers.


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