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[Blokeman]

This forum is really infested with communists. I wasn't trying to make fascism win, I was attacking communist propaganda.

 

>location australia

>speaks broken yugoslav

 

I'm surprised it took me this much to figure who you are

I'm not a gay furry, and I haven't spammed with monarchist crap so what other Australian could it be. And I didn't realise 'živio druže Tito' was grammatically incorrect. I guess this capitalist education I've been getting hasn't helped. Another win for communism.

[Hades III]

I'm not a gay furry, and I haven't spammed with monarchist crap so what other Australian could it be. And I didn't realise 'živio druže Tito' was grammatically incorrect. I guess this capitalist education I've been getting hasn't helped. Another win for communism.

 

Jeza will be thrilled when he sees that.

 

"živio drug Tito" is the way most say it even though your way is not grammatically incorrect.

[Blokeman]

Jeza will be thrilled when he sees that.

 

"živio drug Tito" is the way most say it even though your way is not grammatically incorrect.

Jeza is lost in the real world. And the way I learnt it was 'druže'. Btw, is there a way to change the post settings so that I can use bb code instead of having images show up in my posting box?

[Hades III]

Jeza is lost in the real world. And the way I learnt it was 'druže'. Btw, is there a way to change the post settings so that I can use bb code instead of having images show up in my posting box?

While you have this box to write in open, in the upper left corner click on that grey looking square.

[Blokeman]

While you have this box to write in open, in the upper left corner click on that grey looking square.

Cheers mate

[Blokeman]

Capitalism has had its shot and failed. People say that the Soviet Union failed, but that's just a load of poppycock. The Soviet Union ended because they spent way too much money on the military, which was ultimately the American's fault.

Capitalism is cruel and unjust. People say that capitalism works because they are bourgeois Americans with health insurance. But in the real world, the world of starving millions, famine, drought, war and murder, people cannot live their lives like they ought to able to, with a home, a real job, a good wage and a place to live.

Capitalism cannot grant people these things, because it's all about making money, and you need money to make money. Thus the people in the poorest parts of the world with little or no infrastructure cannot get the help that they need from capitalism, and the scarcity of resources leads inevitably to war, as it has done for centuries.

People say that Communism had its chance and failed. This is not true.

[MostarskiJugosloven]

If Tito had worked on actually solving problems rather than covering them up, things might not have went south soon after he died.



And that only shows yet another bad side of Yugoslavia. Why did families of soldiers who already died had to suffer anymore? The fact is, you could live a nice life in Yugoslavia only if you were a good little boy who agreed with everything regime was saying. If not, you get a free ticket to Goli Otok to test your strenght against dalmatian rocks.

Judging from the way you speak about a state you never lived in and have no real knowledge about it, I have no doubt your family lived well in Yugoslavia.

My family had an NDH soldier in it yet my family didnt suffer during Yugoslav times, in fact we had more sucsess during those times because hard work was rewarded. But families who still after the war were extremely vocal in their hatred for the countries...well I see no reason for them to NOT be sent to Goli Otok

Edited by MostarskiJugosloven, 15 August 2013 - 02:44 PM.

[Hades III]

were extremely vocal in their hatred for the countries...well I see no reason for them to NOT be sent to Goli Otok

 

No woder you like Yugoslavia. People should have right to scream in protest if they want. As long as they don't harm others it should not be punishable.

[MostarskiJugosloven]

No woder you like Yugoslavia. People should have right to scream in protest if they want. As long as they don't harm others it should not be punishable.

Which other country lets you do that? And don't say America, cuase here it's all fake, I know that personally, we have some sort of fake Freedom of Speech, but when we use it, it changes nothing. The last time someone changed America with Freedom of Speech was in the 60's with MLK. Simply look at the Wall Street Movment for your answer. However in Yugoslavia the protests actually chnged something, like with the Croatian Spring, Tito didn't disregard them 100% like they do here, he actually included something's that the protesters wanted in the new Yugoslav Constitution.

[Hades III]

Which other country lets you do that? And don't say America, cuase here it's all fake, I know that personally, we have some sort of fake Freedom of Speech, but when we use it, it changes nothing. The last time someone changed America with Freedom of Speech was in the 60's with MLK. Simply look at the Wall Street Movment for your answer. However in Yugoslavia the protests actually chnged something, like with the Croatian Spring, Tito didn't disregard them 100% like they do here, he actually included something's that the protesters wanted in the new Yugoslav Constitution.

 

I'll still take American freedom over Yugoslav one.

 

I'm not going to type long about Croatian Spring so I'll just give you a wiki quote. 

 

The movement organized demonstrations in 1971 and thousands of Zagreb students publicly protested.

Three Croatian linguists, Stjepan Babić, Božidar Finka and Milan Moguš, published a spelling and grammar textbook in 1971 called Hrvatski pravopis (Croatian Orthography), rather than the forced Srpskohrvatski (Serbo-Croatian). It was summarily banned. However, one copy survived and found its way to London where it was printed and published.

The Yugoslav leadership interpreted the whole affair as a restoration of Croatian nationalism, dismissed the movement as chauvinistic and had the police brutally suppress the demonstrators. In 1971, Soviet Union leadership applied additional pressure on Marshall Tito directly by Leonid Brezhnev and indirectly by its ambassadors to Yugoslavia, to assert control of the Communist party within Yugoslavia, ostensibly adhering to the Brezhnev Doctrine.^[6]

After the calls to the student strike, in December 1971 Tito persuaded to resign some unreliable, in his view, public figures like Savka Dabčević-Kučar, Miko Tripalo and Dragutin Haramija and make a sweep in Croatian communist party and local administration. Many student activists were detained and some were even sentenced to years of prison. Some estimate that up to two thousand people were criminally prosecuted for participation in these events. Among those arrested at this time were future president of Croatia Franjo Tuđman and dissident journalist Bruno Bušić. There were several other notable political prisoners in Croatia from this period.

The social and political conservative forces engaged in a repression that prevented the final reforms that would have made Yugoslavia a true federation of sovereign republics and provinces, instead reducing both the Yugoslav political concept and its nomenklatura to a kind of "real socialism" that lacked potential.

[Aurelian Invictus]

Communism and Capitalism promote class warfare. Fascism promotes class collaboration. Communism and Capitalism promote internationalism. Fascism promotes nationalism. Communist and Capitalist view man as governed solely by Materialist urges. While Fascist acknowledges that man is governed by higher instincts.

 

Fascism is the only ideology that a man who loves his people can support.

 

Communism is a scourge that destroys nations. Half of Europe is still economically behind because of communism. Communists also kill creativity and free thinking without which no nation can evolve. North Corea is still in the stone age thanks to communism. Other communist countries aren't doing much better. Only China works well but that's only because they were the only ones not to apply communism to the letter.

 

Fascism can have awesome short term results but it can't last forever. Unlike communism, fascism promotes performance instead of obedience but no matter how good you are you can still be killed for not believing what the fascists believe. In other words you're still not free to believe what you want. Which, of course, cannot be beneficial for a nation on the long run. At some point the mindless will take over.

 

Capitalism isn't perfect but at least you're free to think. Which work grate. Computers, smartphones, modern healthcare, the internet, and many technologies that improved our lives could never have been born in any other type of system. When capitalism isn't working well we should focus on improving it instead of looking at alternatives that have already failed.

 

You’re going to have a hard time finding revolutionaries who didn’t violently persecute ideological rivals. Hell, even the Liberal revolutionaries of the eighteenth century, which helped create the current order, were violent (the Reign of Terror in France and the persecution of loyalist in America), but once they established hegemony in their countries (and eventually the entire west) a new normal was created and the violent persecutions ended. There’s no reason to believe Fascism wouldn’t have also calmed down once it to established hegemony over society.

 

Once totality was established who would be left to internally oppose it? Almost everyone in the country would be Fascist. Just like almost everyone in the modern west is Liberal. Sure, you’d have a few anti-fascists, but they’re numbers would be so insignificant that it wouldn’t matter.

 

It's not as though the modern Liberal-Capitalist west is the bastion of tolerance and free thought that it pretends to be.

 

In America you have the Liberal-Capitalist Democrats, the Liberal-Capitalist Republicans, and America’s largest third party, the Libertarians, who are also Liberal-Capitalist. Liberalism is so deeply entrenched in American society that illiberal thought is considered wrong or even evil.  

 

Despite Liberalism not being as deeply entrenched in most European countries (excluding France) as it is in America, the situation isn’t much better.  In Britain you have the Liberal-Capitalist Tories, the Liberal-Capitalist Lib-Dems, and Liberal-Capitalist Labor.  Even UKIP is a Liberal-Capitalist party.  The main parties in practical all western countries are Liberal-Capitalist.

 

Some Western countries, like Germany, outright ban illiberal parties and illiberal speech to protect Liberal-Capitalist hegemony. 

[Ayame Crocodile]

Nationalists are always at odds with everyone else.

 

A Nationalist in one nation is entirely opposed to the nationalist of any other, because they each seek and believe in their own superiority at the expense of all other nations.

 

Even Capitalists can see that cooperation across borders is far more beneficial for the entire human race than fighting over arbitrary lines on a map.

[Arry Stark]

Everything sucks.

[Aurelian Invictus]

Nationalists are always at odds with everyone else.

 

A Nationalist in one nation is entirely opposed to the nationalist of any other, because they each seek and believe in their own superiority at the expense of all other nations.

 

Even Capitalists can see that cooperation across borders is far more beneficial for the entire human race than fighting over arbitrary lines on a map.

 

Your views on nationalism are incredibly ill informed. There’s no reason to believe nationalist countries wouldn't cooperate if it were in their interest to do so.

 

A nation isn’t “arbitrary lines on a map”, and there’s a difference between a country and a nation. A nation is group people united ethnically, linguistically, historically, and culturally.

 

North and South Korea are two different countries, but they’re members of the same nation. Canada is a country, but Franco-Canada and Anglo-Canada are two different nations. England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are four different nations, which exist within the same country. An historical example would be West and East Germany, being separate into two different countries didn’t magically stop the people living within them from members of the same nation.

 

Why should I love greater humanity more than I love my nation? What do I have in common with an African tribesman or some rural Chinese farmer? We walk on two legs and crave food?

 

Telling someone they should love strangers as much as they love their own people is like telling them they should love someone else’s parents as much as they love their own.

 

Your entire post is stereotypical leftist nonsense. You sound like a rootless middle-class Englishman.

[MostarskiJugosloven]

I'll still take American freedom over Yugoslav one.

 

I'm not going to type long about Croatian Spring so I'll just give you a wiki quote. 

 

The movement organized demonstrations in 1971 and thousands of Zagreb students publicly protested.

Three Croatian linguists, Stjepan Babić, Božidar Finka and Milan Moguš, published a spelling and grammar textbook in 1971 called Hrvatski pravopis (Croatian Orthography), rather than the forced Srpskohrvatski (Serbo-Croatian). It was summarily banned. However, one copy survived and found its way to London where it was printed and published.

The Yugoslav leadership interpreted the whole affair as a restoration of Croatian nationalism, dismissed the movement as chauvinistic and had the police brutally suppress the demonstrators. In 1971, Soviet Union leadership applied additional pressure on Marshall Tito directly by Leonid Brezhnev and indirectly by its ambassadors to Yugoslavia, to assert control of the Communist party within Yugoslavia, ostensibly adhering to the Brezhnev Doctrine.^[6]

After the calls to the student strike, in December 1971 Tito persuaded to resign some unreliable, in his view, public figures like Savka Dabčević-Kučar, Miko Tripalo and Dragutin Haramija and make a sweep in Croatian communist party and local administration. Many student activists were detained and some were even sentenced to years of prison. Some estimate that up to two thousand people were criminally prosecuted for participation in these events. Among those arrested at this time were future president of Croatia Franjo Tuđman and dissident journalist Bruno Bušić. There were several other notable political prisoners in Croatia from this period.

The social and political conservative forces engaged in a repression that prevented the final reforms that would have made Yugoslavia a true federation of sovereign republics and provinces, instead reducing both the Yugoslav political concept and its nomenklatura to a kind of "real socialism" that lacked potential.

 

Have you ever lived in America? Have you seen this so called "freedom". Here the Goverment dosn't care for the people, they only care about themselves and how to steal the most money from the poor workers who don't have money to put bread on the table for their kids. At least in Yugoslavia you didn't have to worry about that because everyone who worked hard had enough to make sure their family could eat. Here in America it's everyone for themselves, there is no brotherhood, and the only way to be happy is to make money. This was not the case in Yugoslavia, were everyone was a Brother and Sister and worked together, were the WORKERS had power and not the top 1% who sat on their fat asses while they watch their under paid workers toil day and night and still not be able to feed their family. That is no freedom, that is hell.

[Hades III]

Have you ever lived in America? Have you seen this so called "freedom". Here the Goverment dosn't care for the people, they only care about themselves and how to steal the most money from the poor workers who don't have money to put bread on the table for their kids. At least in Yugoslavia you didn't have to worry about that because everyone who worked hard had enough to make sure their family could eat. Here in America it's everyone for themselves, there is no brotherhood, and the only way to be happy is to make money. This was not the case in Yugoslavia, were everyone was a Brother and Sister and worked together, were the WORKERS had power and not the top 1% who sat on their fat asses while they watch their under paid workers toil day and night and still not be able to feed their family. That is no freedom, that is hell.

 

I don't really care about America. Yugoslavia sure was a swell, we were all equally poor.  I have no idea why you,a 14 years old kid, have such idealistic views of Yugoslavia since you never lived in it.You seem to have been fed propaganda from the moment you left your mothers belly.  

 

And that brotherhood you speak of, all lies. Everyone disliked eachother, they just had to hide it. If there was any brotherhood, 90's war could never have happened. You think masses were manipulated in to war? To an extent, probably. But those who wanted war just used all the hate that remained from WW2. They didn't have to work hard. 

 

So quit talking about brotherhood, that shit never had any true meaning in Yugoslavia.

Edited by Hades III, 15 August 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[MostarskiJugosloven]

I don't really care about America. Yugoslavia sure was a swell, we were all equally poor.  I have no idea why you,a 14 years old kid, have such idealistic views of Yugoslavia since you never lived in it.You seem to have been fed propaganda from the moment you left your mothers belly.  
 
And that brotherhood you speak of, all lies. Everyone disliked eachother, they just had to hide it. If there was any brotherhood, 90's war could never have happened. You think masses were manipulated in to war? To an extent, probably. But those who wanted war just used all the hate that remained from WW2. They didn't have to work hard. 
 
So quit talking about brotherhood, that shit never had any true meaning in Yugoslavia.

I wasn't fed propaganda, I simply read about it in books by authors like Branko Čopić. The idea of a strong Slavic nation was a very good idea to me. Brotherhood ment nothing? Explain the people who go to Titos grave on his birth day date of passing etc. The Yugoslav dream is still very alive as I told you before. Yugonostalgia is around, and not just old people but young people, read about it.

[Hades III]

I wasn't fed propaganda, I simply read about it in books by authors like Branko Čopić. The idea of a strong Slavic nation was a very good idea to me. Brotherhood ment nothing? Explain the people who go to Titos grave on his birth day date of passing etc. The Yugoslav dream is still very alive as I told you before. Yugonostalgia is around, and not just old people but young people, read about it.

 

>Branko Ćopić

>Partisan

 

Nice and unbiased opinion. Keep reading books like that and you are sure to have a good unbiased knowledge. /sarcasm

 

>Explain the people who go to Titos grave on his birth day date of passing etc

Explain the people that still curse him for creating that shit state.

 

Yugonostalgia is still around, but thank god that it is mostly old fucks that should have died long ago. You'll run across few youngsters like you, but thankfully, there are few.

[MostarskiJugosloven]

>Branko Ćopić
>Partisan
 
Nice and unbiased opinion. Keep reading books like that and you are sure to have a good unbiased knowledge. /sarcasm
 
>Explain the people who go to Titos grave on his birth day date of passing etc
Explain the people that still curse him for creating that shit state.
 
Yugonostalgia is still around, but thank god that it is mostly old fucks that should have died long ago. You'll run across few youngsters like you, but thankfully, there are few.

https://m.facebook.c...-nostalgia&_rdr

I have read many unbiased reports about Yugoslavia and through them I made the decision that Yugoslavia wasn't a bad place hence my current stance. Anyhow my parents were pro-Yugoslavia and I'm supposed to listen to my parents

[Hades III]

https://m.facebook.c...-nostalgia&_rdr

I have read many unbiased reports about Yugoslavia and through them I made the decision that Yugoslavia wasn't a bad place hence my current stance. Anyhow my parents were pro-Yugoslavia and I'm supposed to listen to my parents

 

Good for you.

 

My granfather was in SS and father fought against muslims/serbs. I never cared about that, my opinion may have been influenced by them to a point, but I mostly formed it on my own.