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[Panis]

Just passing through.

[mik_zoltan]

Lenin did not promote that kind of communism, he applied it. Those few years in which Lenin led Russia are the actual years in which true communism was practiced. Modern day China may say that it is communist, but economically it is capitalist whilst politically it is socialist. North Korea is just an army with a nation.

My point is that in Communism even if you start out with someone (supposedly) good intentioned like Lenin you will always end up at some point with someone like Stalin. It's in the nature of the system due to the tools required by that system to sustain itself.

 

Communism is basically when everyone 100% in the country is communist. You can't have 80% of the people be communists and the other 20% remain capitalist. You can't have 98% communists and 2% capitalists. - However, there will never be 100% of the people wanting communism voluntarily. Even if communism would be the definite and ultimate benevolent system there would still be a very significant number of people who would decide not to like it. - However, as said, the system only works if everyone, 100% of the poulation, is communist.

 

But in order to ensure that everyone is communist, you have to use force and the threat of violence and death. 100% of people will never be voluntarily communists so you will have to force them to be communists against their choice. But in order for this, you will need a strong centralised state with secret police, intimidation, gulags, extremely large power in the hands of a few executives in order not to waste time debating nonsense in a committe while the "reactionaries" are taking over.

 

And no matter how good your intentions were when you first time tried to implement communism (I don't doubt Lenin wasn't good intentioned), the bad moral value of force and violence needed to sustanin the system always corrupts these good intentions. The rise of Stalin was not a coincidence or just an unfortunate mistake. The rise of people like this in systems that require people in executive functions to excercise that much power is inevitable. People like Stalin, who have no moral values and are ready to commit all kinds of sneaky and shady things to get in power always have a huge advantage over "benevolent" people in such systems. They will always win.

 

Now, I know that people like Marx and Lenin said that at some point communism will become "stateless communism". I however clain that this is fiction; I don't think there will ever be a time when 100% of everyone will completely agree with communism. Not even if you have communism for 1,000 years. - There will always be "reactionaries" who would want to abolish the system. As such, there will never be "stateless communism" since the huge coercive power and the threat of violence and force of the central government will always be necessary in order to force/punish/kill/reeducate/etc. those that do not wish to remain communists.

 

Communism will always only be possible in the context of a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Hades III]

45 years beats 15, amirite?

 
If Tito had worked on actually solving problems rather than covering them up, things might not have went south soon after he died.

 

Of course families with soldiers in NDH are going to go through hell, they were fighting against the country, it is only natural that they are punished for their crimes...

My family lived pretty well in Yugoslavia and only had good stories about it to share with me

 

And that only shows yet another bad side of Yugoslavia. Why did families of soldiers who already died had to suffer anymore? The fact is, you could live a nice life in Yugoslavia only if you were a good little boy who agreed with everything regime was saying. If not, you get a free ticket to Goli Otok to test your strenght against dalmatian rocks.

 

Judging from the way you speak about a state you never lived in and have no real knowledge about it, I have no doubt your family lived well in Yugoslavia.

[Shiina Sayane]

Communism commits evil when it goes wrong; fascism commits evil when all goes to plan. No one, not even Stalin, ever became a communist in order to do evil, whereas that's the whole point in becoming a fascist.

Communism, like Christianity, is a willingness of the heart as much as anything else; a desire for a better world that is easy to mock but hard to live without. Fascism is about killing people.

[Hades III]

Communism, like Christianity

[Panis]

I find living without communism to be quite easy. Same goes for Christianity.

[Martinoz]

Commies hate Christians, pmuch

[Shiina Sayane]

Commies hate Christians, pmuch

Even so the two shares same ideas,while fascism is pure evil.

[Hades III]

Even so the two shares same ideas,while fascism is pure evil.

 

Who cares what communism represents in theory. Realisation is important, and in that regard communism==fascism.

Edited by Hades III, 15 August 2013 - 12:44 PM.

[Ayame Crocodile]

Who cares what communism represents in theory. Realisation is important, and in that regard communism==fascism.

 

So you like it now then? xD

 

Also... Got bored of all this Yugoslavia stuff. Tried to re-excite myself... 

 

[Panis]

Alright now I'm mad.

[Hades III]

So you like it now then? xD

 

 

 

Sadly, I can't find Golf 2 with hot girls, but this car is #1

 

Edited by Hades III, 15 August 2013 - 12:48 PM.

[Ayame Crocodile]

Tbf, It's as exciting

[Panis]

Dat racing straps.
Dat hood pins.
Dat hood scoop.

I could walk faster than that car

[Ayame Crocodile]

Dat racing straps.
Dat hood pins.
Dat hood scoop.

I could walk faster than that car

 

Classic 80's box car is classic.

[Hades III]

Dat racing straps.
Dat hood pins.
Dat hood scoop.

I could walk faster than that car

 

True strenght of Golf 2 lies in its strenght. You wouldn't believe how much bricks that car can pull up the hill.

[Blokeman]

If Steiffel/Derek was here Fascism would have won the debate already.

[Hades III]

If Steiffel/Derek was here Fascism would have won the debate already.

 

You sure were of great help.

 

[Blokeman]

You sure were of great help.

 

 

I'm not him and živio druže Tito.

[Hades III]

I'm not him and živio druže Tito.

 

This forum is really infested with communists. I wasn't trying to make fascism win, I was attacking communist propaganda.

 

>location australia

>speaks broken yugoslav

 

I'm surprised it took me this much to figure who you are